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		<title>By: Censorship and Safety redux &#171; Mr W&#8217;s Blogging Great Thing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Censorship and Safety redux &#171; Mr W&#8217;s Blogging Great Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I started posting a reply to Andy in Aberdeen&#8217;s post on Censorship and Safety. My reply grew and grew, and so rather than rehash a lot of the same ground here, I figured it made more sense to post a link and that way you can read the whole thread. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I started posting a reply to Andy in Aberdeen&#8217;s post on Censorship and Safety. My reply grew and grew, and so rather than rehash a lot of the same ground here, I figured it made more sense to post a link and that way you can read the whole thread. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Winton</title>
		<link>http://andywatson.edublogs.org/2006/08/17/censorship-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Winton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like David Warlick’s throwaway comment in his 2c Worth post on over filtered networks (http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2006/08/03/over-filtered-networks/). He suggests that “…teachers should be able to unblock sites on their end.” In order for such a thing to happen, we would need a fundamental change in the mind-sets of those who introduced the Content-Keepers and i-Gears of this world. In fact, I often wonder who it is that actually makes the decisions to deny access to sites... and on what basis? Is it the head of computing in a school? The ICT support service? The Authority&#039;s Education Department?
By dint of the fact that we are using these new technologies to have this discussion, we have established that we understand their importance... yet I know in my own case that, while I can access and read Ewan McIntosh&#039;s blog when I&#039;m in school, I am not allowed to post a reply. With this level of restriction it is nigh on impossible to make any truly intelligent use of the power of blogging software.
Andy Perkel&#039;s paper &quot;Copy and Paste Literacy: Literacy practices in the production of a MySpace profile&quot; eloquently argues the case that MySpace is teaching young people new technical and social skills that they will need in the rapidly evolving online world we are moving into. In his penultimate paragraph, he states that young people, &quot;...are engaging in a “networked
discourse,” one that many teenagers understand how to use, but not necessarily understand how to critically reflect upon (at least, not yet).&quot;
It is that last point, the lack of critical reflection, that we should be picking up on. After all, is that not our vocation as educators... to encourage and develop critical reflection at whatever level the student is capable of attaining. It&#039;s very hard to do that when we cannot access the very texts the pupils value.
One final point... what message are we really sending out to the pupils by banning MySpace and the like? Or let me put that another way, what we are telling the kids is this... I&#039;m going to ban you from your own blog when you&#039;re at school incase you see something you&#039;ve written that is &#039;inappropriate&#039;...
Put like that, I think we, the censors, sound pretty petty, small-minded and ignorant...
Go on Content-Keeper... let ME be the judge of what my pupil&#039;s view, because that way I can TEACH them what they are seeing!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like David Warlick’s throwaway comment in his 2c Worth post on over filtered networks (<a href="http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2006/08/03/over-filtered-networks/)" rel="nofollow">http://davidwarlick.com/2cents/2006/08/03/over-filtered-networks/)</a>. He suggests that “…teachers should be able to unblock sites on their end.” In order for such a thing to happen, we would need a fundamental change in the mind-sets of those who introduced the Content-Keepers and i-Gears of this world. In fact, I often wonder who it is that actually makes the decisions to deny access to sites&#8230; and on what basis? Is it the head of computing in a school? The ICT support service? The Authority&#8217;s Education Department?<br />
By dint of the fact that we are using these new technologies to have this discussion, we have established that we understand their importance&#8230; yet I know in my own case that, while I can access and read Ewan McIntosh&#8217;s blog when I&#8217;m in school, I am not allowed to post a reply. With this level of restriction it is nigh on impossible to make any truly intelligent use of the power of blogging software.<br />
Andy Perkel&#8217;s paper &#8220;Copy and Paste Literacy: Literacy practices in the production of a MySpace profile&#8221; eloquently argues the case that MySpace is teaching young people new technical and social skills that they will need in the rapidly evolving online world we are moving into. In his penultimate paragraph, he states that young people, &#8220;&#8230;are engaging in a “networked<br />
discourse,” one that many teenagers understand how to use, but not necessarily understand how to critically reflect upon (at least, not yet).&#8221;<br />
It is that last point, the lack of critical reflection, that we should be picking up on. After all, is that not our vocation as educators&#8230; to encourage and develop critical reflection at whatever level the student is capable of attaining. It&#8217;s very hard to do that when we cannot access the very texts the pupils value.<br />
One final point&#8230; what message are we really sending out to the pupils by banning MySpace and the like? Or let me put that another way, what we are telling the kids is this&#8230; I&#8217;m going to ban you from your own blog when you&#8217;re at school incase you see something you&#8217;ve written that is &#8216;inappropriate&#8217;&#8230;<br />
Put like that, I think we, the censors, sound pretty petty, small-minded and ignorant&#8230;<br />
Go on Content-Keeper&#8230; let ME be the judge of what my pupil&#8217;s view, because that way I can TEACH them what they are seeing!</p>
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		<title>By: John Connell</title>
		<link>http://andywatson.edublogs.org/2006/08/17/censorship-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>John Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eloquently put, John, and I particularly like your &#039;devil&#039;s advocate&#039; question. Unless there&#039;s an obvious reason for banning a site - pornography and violence are, as you say, culturally unacceptable - the onus should be on the teacher to justify the banning, and the policy should lean against banning unless a very strong justification is offered. 

&quot;How do we balance competing filtering/censorship requests from different teachers in the same establishment who have different social/moral/religious/political values?&quot; This is the big question for me. It would be a mistake, I think, to try to meet all objections on social/moral/religious/political grounds, since we would end up offering a bland concoction to our young people. They would, rightly, vote with their feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eloquently put, John, and I particularly like your &#8216;devil&#8217;s advocate&#8217; question. Unless there&#8217;s an obvious reason for banning a site &#8211; pornography and violence are, as you say, culturally unacceptable &#8211; the onus should be on the teacher to justify the banning, and the policy should lean against banning unless a very strong justification is offered. </p>
<p>&#8220;How do we balance competing filtering/censorship requests from different teachers in the same establishment who have different social/moral/religious/political values?&#8221; This is the big question for me. It would be a mistake, I think, to try to meet all objections on social/moral/religious/political grounds, since we would end up offering a bland concoction to our young people. They would, rightly, vote with their feet.</p>
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		<title>By: John Munro</title>
		<link>http://andywatson.edublogs.org/2006/08/17/censorship-and-safety/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>John Munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a very simplistic level you could argue that filtering is a &quot;good thing&quot; and censorship is a &quot;bad thing&quot;, however they are essentially the same thing. 

When we apply filtering in schools, what are we protecting? We are protecting children from inadvertantly accessing content which is inappropriate and we are protecting schools and local authorities from litigation for failing in their duty of care.  We are also stopping children from seeing materials which teachers say they should not see. How do we balance competing filtering/censorship requests from different teachers in the same establishment who have different social/moral/religious/political values?

There is much scope for lengthy debate about what is or is not appropriate.

The filters will stop some children from deliberately accessing sexually explicit or violent materials, but no filter can be 100% effective. Where we do have instances of children accessing such material deliberately in school, it raises the question as to what they are supposed to be doing, and who is supervising them?

In some ways, dealing with sex and violence is relatively easy, because in our cultural framework there is no great argument as to whether these things should be blocked.

The difficulty occurs when we are asked to block other types of sites which teachers deem inappropriate.  The two most frequent types of sites which fall into these categories are games sites and social software sites. Both types of sites have obvious educational potential, so why do teachers ask to have them banned? In my experience there are two main reasons: the first is the &quot;time wasting&quot; element - pupils will spend huge amounts of time on, or trying to get on, these sites; the second reason is that teachers are uncomfortable with much of the content on some of these sites - the txt spk, &quot;bad taste&quot; videos, modern music, chat rooms, online dating etc etc  Teachers do have genuinely held fears over the safety of such social software sites, but there are also teachers who have a fear of the unknown or the uncontrollable.  I wonder how many teachers have ever visited My Space or YouTube (both of which have received huge media coverage recently but which are on the blocked list in some of our schools).

As adults, we have always had a problem understanding youth culture. My parents and teachers certainly didn&#039;t understand my world and now I find myself asking my teenage son &quot;do you call that music?&quot;. I wonder if the generation gap is growing larger now that young people live in a &quot;virtual&quot; world and communicate using tools adults barely know exist, let alone understand.

Playing devil&#039;s advocate, perhaps when a  teacher requests a site be blocked, the question could be asked &quot;What are you offering in your classroom which is more interesting, engaging, enjoyable and relevant?&quot;

Unfortunately, this is a difficult issue which has many shades of grey and doesn&#039;t simplify easily. 

As Andy suggests, I suspect the answer lies in understanding the online world in which we now live and redressing the imbalance in understanding between teachers and pupils which currently exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a very simplistic level you could argue that filtering is a &#8220;good thing&#8221; and censorship is a &#8220;bad thing&#8221;, however they are essentially the same thing. </p>
<p>When we apply filtering in schools, what are we protecting? We are protecting children from inadvertantly accessing content which is inappropriate and we are protecting schools and local authorities from litigation for failing in their duty of care.  We are also stopping children from seeing materials which teachers say they should not see. How do we balance competing filtering/censorship requests from different teachers in the same establishment who have different social/moral/religious/political values?</p>
<p>There is much scope for lengthy debate about what is or is not appropriate.</p>
<p>The filters will stop some children from deliberately accessing sexually explicit or violent materials, but no filter can be 100% effective. Where we do have instances of children accessing such material deliberately in school, it raises the question as to what they are supposed to be doing, and who is supervising them?</p>
<p>In some ways, dealing with sex and violence is relatively easy, because in our cultural framework there is no great argument as to whether these things should be blocked.</p>
<p>The difficulty occurs when we are asked to block other types of sites which teachers deem inappropriate.  The two most frequent types of sites which fall into these categories are games sites and social software sites. Both types of sites have obvious educational potential, so why do teachers ask to have them banned? In my experience there are two main reasons: the first is the &#8220;time wasting&#8221; element &#8211; pupils will spend huge amounts of time on, or trying to get on, these sites; the second reason is that teachers are uncomfortable with much of the content on some of these sites &#8211; the txt spk, &#8220;bad taste&#8221; videos, modern music, chat rooms, online dating etc etc  Teachers do have genuinely held fears over the safety of such social software sites, but there are also teachers who have a fear of the unknown or the uncontrollable.  I wonder how many teachers have ever visited My Space or YouTube (both of which have received huge media coverage recently but which are on the blocked list in some of our schools).</p>
<p>As adults, we have always had a problem understanding youth culture. My parents and teachers certainly didn&#8217;t understand my world and now I find myself asking my teenage son &#8220;do you call that music?&#8221;. I wonder if the generation gap is growing larger now that young people live in a &#8220;virtual&#8221; world and communicate using tools adults barely know exist, let alone understand.</p>
<p>Playing devil&#8217;s advocate, perhaps when a  teacher requests a site be blocked, the question could be asked &#8220;What are you offering in your classroom which is more interesting, engaging, enjoyable and relevant?&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is a difficult issue which has many shades of grey and doesn&#8217;t simplify easily. </p>
<p>As Andy suggests, I suspect the answer lies in understanding the online world in which we now live and redressing the imbalance in understanding between teachers and pupils which currently exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewan McIntosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewan McIntosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is also a need for some help for teachers in blogging - many are concerned, rightly perhaps, that they will get into hot water blogging their work in school to the outside world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is also a need for some help for teachers in blogging &#8211; many are concerned, rightly perhaps, that they will get into hot water blogging their work in school to the outside world.</p>
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